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Twibute
Hi folks
Been working on this for several weeks, promised Greg I'd post it when I'd finished.
Well, I say finished, but I'm open to suggestions. I've searched all over for this recipe, tried out various combinations on beersmith, spoke to St Austell about their hops (They will only say that they use fuggle and styrian goldings) and from what I can gather, this must come pretty close. I haven't brewed it yet as I'm waiting for my new tun but if anyone else wants to give it a bash - feel free :o)
I've listed the styrian as bobek as that seems to be what its sold as in many places. Also I'd recommend trying to get the yeast from a bottle of Admiral - or something similar.
Batch Size: 25.00 L
Estimated OG: 1.046 SG
Estimated Color: 10.6 EBC
Estimated IBU: 26.4 IBU
4.20 kg Pale Malt
0.70 kg Munich Malt
0.20 kg Wheat Malt
35.00 gm Fuggles(60 min)
10.00 gm Williamette(60 min)
25.00 gm Bobek (10 min)
18.00 gm Williamette (10 min)
12.00 gm Williamette (80C) (Aroma)
12.00 gm Bobek (80C) (Aroma)
1.32 tsp Irish Moss (Boil 15.0 min)
1 Pkgs English Ale (White Labs #WLP002)
Mash Schedule: Single Infusion, Medium Body, No Mash Out
Mash at 65.0 C
20.00 gm Bobek (Dry Hop 3 days)
(with grateful thanks to the Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers and slightly adapted)
Responses
Posted 1 year ago by Moderator
Looks cool Tony, what are the aa% of the hops?
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Posted 1 year ago by Member
Damn .. well spotted nath ... I must have cut that off....
35.00 gm Fuggles [3.80 %] (60 min)
10.00 gm Williamette [6.70 %] (60 min)
25.00 gm Bobek [5.40 %] (10 min)
18.00 gm Williamette [6.70 %] (10 min)
12.00 gm Williamette [6.70 %] (0 min)
12.00 gm Bobek [5.40 %] (0 min)
I think you could easily go to just over the 30 IBU, if you get fuggles higher that 3.8 it would be an advantage.
(with grateful thanks to the Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers and slightly adapted)
Posted 1 year ago by Moderator
Why didnt you use a higher aa hop to begin with if you wanted a tad higher on the ibs then Tony? Looking at most sources they all seem to say the bittering hops dont really leave any flavour/aroma so if you boiled for say 90mins you should be able to use whatever.
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Posted 1 year ago by Admin
Looks good, I think there is more willamette than bobek in Tribute but hard to tell as I've not done a single hop brew with either.
I did this some time ago:
Ingredients:
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4000 gm Pale Malt, Maris Otter (3 EBC)
500 gm Munich Malt (20 EBC)
27.56 gm Fuggles [5.40 %] (60 min)
33.86 gm Willamette [4.5 %] (15 min)
33.86 gm Styrian Goldings Savinski [2.5 %] (15 min)
33.86 gm Willamette [4.5 %] (5 min)
29.91 gm Styrian Goldings Savinski [2.5 %] (5 min)
Definitely needed more Munich but the hops weren't right either. Didn't taste like tribute but was pretty tasty never the less.
Fermenting:
Conditioning:Pale with Styrians
Drinking:Cascade Pale Ale, Summer Lightning
Posted 1 year ago by Member
Hi
New to all this so be gentle. Can I convert this to Extract with Specialty grains? If so what's the, "formula" or is there a bit of suck it and see to this?
I holiday in Cornwall every year so know and love Tribute. Sharp's Doombar is non too shoddy either.
Fermenting:
Condtioning: Twibute Clone
Drinking: 100% wheat, Fixby Gold
Posted 1 year ago by Member
Found Brewsmith software as a trial so used its Convert option. Didn't handle the Wheat very well but I tweaked it and got:
Est OG: 1.044 SG
Est Alcohol by Vol: 4.20 %
Bitterness: 27.5 IBU
Est Color: 10.6 SRM
2750.00 gm Light Dry Extract (8.0 SRM) Dry Extract 52.47 %
200.00 gm Wheat Dry Extract (8.0 SRM)
235.00 gm Caramel/Crystal Malt -120L (120.0 SRM)
150.00 gm Cara-Pils/Dextrine (2.0 SRM)
With your original hops the bitterness came out way too high when added to the Extract conversion. So dropped to 25 g of Fuggles (60 mins). Is that normal when going from AG to Extract?
How does the above look?
Many thanks
Fermenting:
Condtioning: Twibute Clone
Drinking: 100% wheat, Fixby Gold
Posted 1 year ago by Admin
Hi Simon, what's your boil volume?
Looks okay to me although Munich malt is more similar to pale malt than Crystal/cara pils so I think your colour will be quite dark compared to Tony's. I'm sure it will taste good though so why not give it a whirl.
Fermenting:
Conditioning:Pale with Styrians
Drinking:Cascade Pale Ale, Summer Lightning
Posted 1 year ago by Member
I second what Greg has said, give it a go. I have to say, I haven't actually made this one. I'd been collecting recipes from all over and put them together to get to here. Since then I've heard and seen things which may suggest some changes are necessary. I'd say go for it and keep careful notes about the differences in taste between this and the 'real' tribute.
Sorry nath .. just seen your message from way back... you're right about the bittering hops not adding much flavor but I was trying to keep true to the original recipe(s).
Oddly enough I'm drinking my Proper Job at the moment - I think I have the mouthfeel and the bitterness right - but don't think I have the hop characteristics right. PJ is a real king among beers .. this one is more the court jester :o)
Maybe I should drink it in a flagon with the dragon???
Be nice if someone gave it a go :o)
(with grateful thanks to the Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers and slightly adapted)
Posted 1 year ago by Admin
Okay, I'm convinced. I was looking for a second brew to do on Sat so I will step up to the plate and give it a whirl.
Watch this space.
Fermenting:
Conditioning:Pale with Styrians
Drinking:Cascade Pale Ale, Summer Lightning
Posted 1 year ago by Member
Greg
I put in 25l as the batch size and it's telling me the boil volume is 28.62l.
As I have the Carapils and Crystal I think I'll give it a go. What's the worst that could happen?! I'd end up with 40 bottles of beer that may or may not taste like Tribute. I can live with that.
Order coming your way Greg!
Fermenting:
Condtioning: Twibute Clone
Drinking: 100% wheat, Fixby Gold
Posted 1 year ago by Admin
Exactly, you'll definitely end up with a beer that will be drinkable and probably lovely.
You may need to adjust the settings in Beersmith for your equipment as it sounds like you are using defaults. You can adjust the equipment settings to allow for boil off and also loss to dead space in the boiler. Once this is all setup then the calculations will be correct. Worth doing as it will then calculate the bitterness/abv correctly.
If you are down our way in the next month or so I'll swap a bottle with you so you can compare results.
Fermenting:
Conditioning:Pale with Styrians
Drinking:Cascade Pale Ale, Summer Lightning
Posted 1 year ago by Moderator
Well done chaps for doing versions of this, I believe that you are both kings among men and deserve to bask in the glory that is...... "Experimental Brewing 101"
I shall look forward to the results!
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Posted 1 year ago by Member
Greg
You're right. It was set to defaults.
So I've now got a Lidl's Jam Boiler with a 24l capacity. So I've put the following into Brewsmith:
Lidls Boiler
Final Volume: 19l
Top Up Water: 6l
Loss to Boil Trub and Chiller: 1l
Evap rate: 9%/hr (default)
Boil Volume: 16.25l (calculated automatically)
So I guess I steep my specialty grain in a relatively small amount of water. Top up to 16.25l. Boil away, etc., and I should get 13l of wort.
Having done all those changes, the estimates are off now. As you suspected they might be!
I'll recalculate everything tomorrow and hopefully that only leaves the small matter of brewing it!
Thanks for all the help and if I'm passing again I certainly will have a sample (beer that is) with me.
Cheers
Fermenting:
Condtioning: Twibute Clone
Drinking: 100% wheat, Fixby Gold
Posted 1 year ago by Member
Good luck folks! I really hope it comes out spot on!
(with grateful thanks to the Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers and slightly adapted)
Posted 1 year ago by Member
Well, I've tinkered with Brewsmith and have arrived at the following that I'll attempt next Tuesday in my new Lidls Jam Maker.
TWIBUTE extrACT (see what I did there)
Extract version of Twibute ( hopefully!)
Batch Size: 19.00 L
Est Original Gravity: 1.043 SG
Bitterness: 26.5 IBU
Est Color: 10.5 SRM
2kg Light DME
200g Wheat Dry Extract
175g Crystal Malt 120L
150g Carapils
10g Williamette [6.7%] (60 mins)
15g Fuggles [3.8%] (60m mins)
18g Williamette [6.7%] (10 mins)
25g Bobek [5.4%] (10m mins)
12g Williamette [5.50 %] (Aroma Hop-Steep for 30 min)
12g Bobek [5.40 %] (Aroma Hop-Steep 30 min)
Soak specialty grains for 30 minutes
Add 1kg of DME and hops at beginning of boil (16 litres of water)
Add the rest of DME, the wheat extract and hops after 50 mins
Turn off boil at 60 mins and add rest of hops. Steep for 30 minutes.
Empty into FV and top up to 19 litres.
All hop varieties and timings the same as original AG recipe but quantities changed to get the same bitterness value.
Fermenting:
Condtioning: Twibute Clone
Drinking: 100% wheat, Fixby Gold
Posted 1 year ago by Moderator
Well done on the beersmith tinkering there. I reckon it will be a nice pint looking at those hops. I love bobek/stryian hops really citrusy and lemony. In fact my next brew will be only bobek/stryians.
Good luck for Tuesday and remember to get it in the brewday section with plenty of piccys!
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Posted 1 year ago by Member
Ho hum. Well, the Lidl's boiler won't maintain a rolling boil so it's back to the stockpot. I've adjusted the recipe again but I won't post it here. I'll put it in the Brewday section.
Working in Watford on Tuesday so may have to delay but fingers crossed.
Fermenting:
Condtioning: Twibute Clone
Drinking: 100% wheat, Fixby Gold
Posted 1 year ago by Moderator
Are you sending it back? If not then why not either:
a) Use as a 2nd sparge tank
b) fiddle with the thermostat to maintain a rolling boil
(b should be carried out by a qualified lidl boiler electrician person!)
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Posted 1 year ago by Member
Qualified and Lidls are not two words you usually see in the same sentence!
I've already taken it apart and can't see any adjustment on the thermostat. I could bypass it, I suppose, with a switch, but that might void the warranty.
Anyway, I'll keep it to use as a HLT if I can't fit a bypass. That's if I progress to AG.
Anyone got any other ideas?
Fermenting:
Condtioning: Twibute Clone
Drinking: 100% wheat, Fixby Gold
Posted 1 year ago by Member
Managed to find a way to adjust the thermostat on another forum. Ain't t'Internet great! So now it doesn't switch off at the boil. However, it's not exactly a rolling boil. More like a simmer so not powerful enough to use as a boiler. Oh dear, what a pity, never mind.
Fermenting:
Condtioning: Twibute Clone
Drinking: 100% wheat, Fixby Gold
Posted 1 year ago by Moderator
How about using it for 2 gallon batches? If it can maintain a decent boil with that amount of wort you could use it for trialing ag ideas without the extra wastage if it goes wrong.
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Posted 1 year ago by Member
Nice thought but I only had about 5 litres in the pot and still not good enough. I'll ferret it away for that bright day when I eventually go down the AG path. Until then it's back to the stockpot for me!
Fermenting:
Condtioning: Twibute Clone
Drinking: 100% wheat, Fixby Gold
Posted 1 year ago by Moderator
Righty-ho gentlemen and gentleladies!
I have just finished kegging Tonys Twibute today. It was in primary for 3 days then transfered to secondary with the dryhops for 7 days and now its in a keg primed with 85g cane sugar. It smells really nice, I think dryhopping is my favourite thing now! The styrians (bobek) really come through and as a lesson learnt I will now two stage all my beers, its come out absolutly crystal clear so now all I do is play the waiting game!
Now I had a few probs with this brew, when I was boiling something black and sticky (nopt a stick) fell in and god knows what flavour that may have imparted (none by the tyaste though) and in secondary, under airlock, when I opened the top to syphon I had lil mould dotted around the thread of the fv. Now im hopeing that wont be a problem as it was on the outside and not in contact with any beer. I had a good look inside and no signs of anything in there - Phew! So always under airlock from now on, that could have saved my beer. This is the fv I use for secondary and lagering - http://www.brewuk.co.uk/store/index.php/containers/fermenters/brupak-30-fermenter.html
Ta tony this smells great and tasted pretty cool
as well. It will be ready for its first taster when I come off my hols! 
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Posted 1 year ago by Member
Just so pleased its working Nath ... especially as I haven't tried it myself
I haven't brewed for a lifetime (it seems) and I have a load of grain here that my brother bought me for my birthday. I'm waiting to do my big beer/small beer brew... need time!!!
Hope the hols go really well (honeymoon?) and that the beer is a real success when you return.
(with grateful thanks to the Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers and slightly adapted)
Posted 1 year ago by Admin
Mine's nearly all gone. Its a very nice pint indeed and one that I'll be making again very soon.
Fermenting:
Conditioning:Pale with Styrians
Drinking:Cascade Pale Ale, Summer Lightning
Posted 1 year ago by Member
Fantastic Greg .... so can you suggest any tweaks to the recipe to get it closer to the original?
(with grateful thanks to the Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers and slightly adapted)
Posted 1 year ago by Admin
Hi Tony,
It needs to be darker. I think I would suggest 100 or 150g Crystal malt to give it some colour. Alternatively a much smaller amount of black malt could be used instead.
Strangely I think the flavour is really close on the recipe so it a hard one as the above will change to the flavour profile which may not be a good thing but worth a punt I reckon.
Fermenting:
Conditioning:Pale with Styrians
Drinking:Cascade Pale Ale, Summer Lightning
Posted 1 year ago by Member
Well .. worth a try I would suggest Greg. I have so many beers on my 'to brew' list I don't think I'll ever get far from the top!
(with grateful thanks to the Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers and slightly adapted)
Posted 1 year ago by Moderator
Its been "conditioning" in a warm place for 2 days now, so before I move it to 13c I had a lil tey. Mate this tastes amazing I dont think it tastes the same as tribute and it is lighter but it tastes really really good, very smooth and samells great. It will be great to see how this develops in a few weeks and also how this recipe can be tweaked.
Well done Tony its a definate keeper!
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Posted 1 year ago by Moderator
SHOCK HORROR -
after going on hols for a week I have a disaster! I put it in for cold conditioning and when I came back my shed floor was a bit wet and mouldy around the brewfridge. Leaky tap syndrome! I reckon about 2-3 ltrs so not a massive problem.
Anyhoo keg went on its back I whipped the tap out and re seated with a lil bit of vasaline and re carbed it, looking at it this morning all is good! I did have a sneaky bit and its around the same colour (not far off at all) and is deff on the right lines, may need some more aroma hops but a nice beer!
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